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3-Dec-2019 12:14pm
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Client has a small 401k plan that was funded in 2016, but all assets were removed before 12/31/16. The plan was again funded in 2018.
The plan administrator filed Form 5500SF on behalf of the client for the 2016 and 2018 tax years. The administrator did not file for 2017 and the company received a letter from the IRS.
The plan administrator states that there is no filing requirement for 2017 since the plan had zero assets. I cannot find anything that says this. Anyone know if this is correct?
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I would have the Plan Administrator reply to the IRS, and hold them responsible for the penalties.
I have never heard of a zero asset = no filing requirement, but I am not an expert.
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Was the plan terminated in 2016? Not understanding how it could be funded in 2016 and have a $0 EOY balance.
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The Form 5500-SF, Short Form Annual Return/Report of Small Employee Benefit Plan, is a simplified annual reporting form for use by certain small pension and welfare benefit plans.
File the 2017 Form 5500-SF for plan years that began in 2017. The form and any required schedules and attachments must be filed by the last day of the 7th calendar month after the end of the plan year (not to exceed 12 months in length) that began in 2017. Short Years.
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tb_in_sf wrote:Was the plan terminated in 2016? Not understanding how it could be funded in 2016 and have a $0 EOY balance.
After looking at it again...The plan was originally funded with one employee in 2015. The assets were rolled out to another 401k plan in 2016 when the employee left for another job.
The plan was then funded again in 2018 when a new employee started contributing to it. Ending asset balance for 2016 was zero and beginning asset balance for 2018 was zero.
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I believe you would have to terminate the plan to get around the annual filing. Just an opinion here.
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Client has a small 401k plan that was funded in 2016
How many employees participating, not counting the owner? Trying to find out if 5500-EZ is applicable for 2017. Then you could use the $250k threshold for non-filing.
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Just a related question.
Solo 401-k plan. Total value of assets is about $50,000. There is no Form 5500 filing requirement. Is it correct?
5-Dec-2019 2:33pm
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Correct. Threshold is $250K.
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Slight correction to above. Aside from the $250k threshold, Solo 401(k) also needs to file 5500-EZ in year of termination.
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Good catch.
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Only one participant in 2016, and one participant in 2018. Different people, but only one participant each year. Owner doesn't participate.
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Only a one participant 401k plan can file a 5500-EZ. Can a 401k be a one participant plan in 2017 if it wasn't in 2016 and 2018?
A one participant plan is a solo 401k, not for a business with employees and only this type of plan has the $250K filing threshold.
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