novacpa wrote:When the Dept of Labor brings a claim for violation of the Fair Labor Standards Act - they add triple damages as a Penalty - what if 2/3rds of the $250,000 is actually Penalty?
Jeff, we're dealing with the seller here.
How would the SPA adjust the seller's consideration on account of the fact that the seller is out of pocket $250K?
Given the number of opposing viewpoints, I would put a memo in the file that supports the tax return position ultimately taken.
Buyer has not breached any reps.
Jeff-Ohio wrote: What I’m suggesting is that as part of the agreement, the seller may have indemnified the buyer against unknown liabilities that existed at the time “the business” was sold. Hence the seller “being on the hook” for this obligation for that reason. That would be the origin of the claim.
Jeff-Ohio wrote:There’s only one right answer here.
She said employees sued the ex-owner of an S corp.
After the sale employees of the business brought a lawsuit against the corporation
OP now reveals more facts, but in essence the seller is still liable to the employees for wages, not to the buyer under the SPA.
Are we arguing over something that ultimately matters?
The “origin of the claim” test does not contemplate a mechanical search for the first in the chain of events which led to the litigation but, rather, requires an examination of all of the facts, including the kind of transaction out of which the litigation arose, the issues involved, the defenses raised, and other facts pertaining to the controversy which led to the lawsuit.
and (ii) that seller is going to be personally out of pocket $250K.
Probably. But, if you poll the commentators here, it's not coming out that way.
I hope this adds some clarity to what transpired and appreciate everyone who has taken the time to comment.
Diplodok wrote:Jeff-Ohio wrote: What I’m suggesting is that as part of the agreement, the seller may have indemnified the buyer against unknown liabilities that existed at the time “the business” was sold. Hence the seller “being on the hook” for this obligation for that reason. That would be the origin of the claim.
Yeah, except that's not what OP originally presented. She said employees sued the ex-owner of an S corp. She essentially told us in #1 that it was (i) a stock deal and (ii) that seller is going to be personally out of pocket $250K.
OP now reveals more facts, but in essence the seller is still liable to the employees for wages, not to the buyer under the SPA.Jeff-Ohio wrote:There’s only one right answer here.
Probably. But, if you poll the commentators here, it's not coming out that way. My gut says the $250K is deductible as ordinary expense when paid by seller.
Are we arguing over something that ultimately matters? The purchase price adjustment will reduces cap gains at 20 percent. What's the rate at which ordinary expenses are tax effected for this seller?
theresa d wrote:where do you advise OP to deduct this "Ordinary Expense" - where - what form?
No indemnification clause in original agreement.
Ok - Ordinary Expense (IRC Sec 162 - Business Expense) paid in 2019 (according to OP) where do you advise OP to deduct this "Ordinary Expense" - where - what form?
Reading #1 and #15, there is a lot of consistency in the facts presented on the material issue.
Jeff, I know you've said otherwise, but when #1 states that the shareholder was "named in the lawsuit" it means he was sued.
After the sale employees of the business brought a lawsuit against the corporation for back wages and overtime.
Yes, the corporation was sued. But so was the shareholder.
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